Dear All,
I recieved a comment from a discontended veteran the other day. He was so annoyed and furious with the Officer Community which I could make out from the language he used in the comment. I cannot publish the same wordings that this veteran has used in his comment because it was harsh. However I felt the need to bring this to the notice of our community to correct themselves if they are going wrong somewhere. These people stood by us and worked shoulder to shoulder while we were in active service. It is one of our commitment to PBOR to help them and guide them when they are in need. Though there are govt and non govt organisations detailed to look after their welfare I am afraid that they are not doing their duty completely. That is why we get such mails.
Many of us have started various ventures in which PBOR have been employed. We must look after them well. Get him his dues. Guide him to settle his family. Because many of them are very young and burdened with family and financial problems. They do not get proper rehabilitation. Please give serious thought to this and let us do whatever bit we can to keep these invaluable companions of yester years happy and smiling.
I request the Ex-CPO to meet me and explain his problems if he wish to do so. The DOWA in whatever capacity it can, within its limitations, will be happy to try and solve your problem.
I have modified the comment and publish it for your information
Col Nair
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Anonymous has left a new comment(duly modified for publication in the blogspot) on your post "Medical facilities to ECOs and SSCOs":
I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM YOU THE OFFICERS ARE NOT GETTING ANY TIME TO LOOK AFTER THE WELFARE OF PBORS BUT THEY HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME TO HARRASS THE PBORS IN SERVICE AS WELL AS TO FILL UP THEIR OWN POCKETS, YOU PEOPLE NEVER THING HOW THE PBORS ARE STRUGGLING TO SURVIVIE IN A MONTH .
SREE KUMAR KK EX CPO WTR
E mail ID : sknkulengara@rediffmail.com
Posted by Anonymous to DOWA COCHIN at July 26, 2009 4:33 AM
Jul 30, 2009
Jul 20, 2009
New initiative of Govt of India
Government of India has an online Grievance forum at http://www.pgportal.gov.in
The govt. wants people to use this tool to highlight the problems they faced while dealing with Government officials or departments like
1) Railways
2) Posts
3) Telecom (incl. Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited (BSNL)
& Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Limited (MTNL )
4) Urban Development ( Delhi Development Authority (DDA) ,
Land & Development Office (L&DO),Central Public Works Department CPWD)etc)
5) Petroleum & Natural Gas
6) Civil Aviation ( Air India , Airports Authority of India , etc)
7) Shipping , Road Transport & Highways
8) Tourism
9) Public Sector Banks
10) Public Sector Insurance Companies
11) National Saving Scheme of Ministry of Finance
12) Employees' Provident Fund Organization
13) Regional Passport Authorities
14) Central Government Health Scheme
15) Central Board of Secondary Education
16) Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathan
17) National Institute of Open Schooling
18) Navodaya Vidyalaya Samiti
19) Central Universities
20) ESI Hospitals and Dispensaries directly controlled by ESI Corporation
under Ministry of Labour
Many of us say that these things don't work in India .
Couple of months back, the Faridabad Municipal Corporation laid new roads in his area and the residents were very happy about it. But 2 weeks later, BSNL dug up the newly laid roads to install new cables which annoyed all the residents.. A resident used the above listed grievance forum to highlight his concern.. To his surprise, BSNL and Municipal Corporation of Faridabad were served a show cause notice and the guy received a copy of the notice in one week. Government has asked the MC and BSNL about the goof up as it's clear that both the government departments were not in sync at all
The govt. wants people to use this tool to highlight the problems they faced while dealing with Government officials or departments like
1) Railways
2) Posts
3) Telecom (incl. Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited (BSNL)
& Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Limited (MTNL )
4) Urban Development ( Delhi Development Authority (DDA) ,
Land & Development Office (L&DO),Central Public Works Department CPWD)etc)
5) Petroleum & Natural Gas
6) Civil Aviation ( Air India , Airports Authority of India , etc)
7) Shipping , Road Transport & Highways
8) Tourism
9) Public Sector Banks
10) Public Sector Insurance Companies
11) National Saving Scheme of Ministry of Finance
12) Employees' Provident Fund Organization
13) Regional Passport Authorities
14) Central Government Health Scheme
15) Central Board of Secondary Education
16) Kendriya Vidyalaya Sangathan
17) National Institute of Open Schooling
18) Navodaya Vidyalaya Samiti
19) Central Universities
20) ESI Hospitals and Dispensaries directly controlled by ESI Corporation
under Ministry of Labour
Many of us say that these things don't work in India .
Couple of months back, the Faridabad Municipal Corporation laid new roads in his area and the residents were very happy about it. But 2 weeks later, BSNL dug up the newly laid roads to install new cables which annoyed all the residents.. A resident used the above listed grievance forum to highlight his concern.. To his surprise, BSNL and Municipal Corporation of Faridabad were served a show cause notice and the guy received a copy of the notice in one week. Government has asked the MC and BSNL about the goof up as it's clear that both the government departments were not in sync at all
Important Information
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ECHS Facility
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Many non-pensioner ex-servicemen such as ECOs and SSCOs have left comments on the blog seeking guidance on how to become members of ECHS. Non-pensioners are NOT entitled to ECHS facilities. Non-pensioner ex-servicemen are only authorised medical facilities in MHs in accordance with a Presidential sanction on the subject but they cannot become members of the ECHS which is a scheme restricted to pension-holders. Just as pensioners are authorised ECHS, non-pensioners are authorised to avail of a medical re-imbursement scheme run by the Kendriya Sainik Board (KSB) wherein expenditure of major surgeries to the extent of 90 % for PBOR and 75% for Officers (which earlier was 75% and 60% respectively) can be borne by the KSB.
-Maj Navdeep Sigh
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Dear veterans,
I am at present OIC of Trichy Polyclinic.
At the outset let me assure you all that the orders to give 90 days medicine to Chronic patients is still in Vogue. We are giving medicines for 90 days to Chronic patients in all Ploy clinics operating under Trichy Stn Hq AOR.
There is no contradicting directive from DG Medical services on this score. I feel that this order by BH Delhi Cantt is due to delay in funds allocation.
There have been some problems in getting medicines. The allocation of funds for the current financial Year has been delayed and hence the MH's responsible for procuring medicines under DGLP have not been able to meet the requirements.
I suggest that the matter be taken up first to the Commanding Officer of the concerned Hospital.
Regards
Cdr V Vaidyanathan ambaforms@gmail. com
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More On OROP.
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“…the new pension regime would be based on a formula or a rank-wise one time increment (OTI) to bridge the gap between past and present pensioners. It is also unlikely that officers’ pensions are made amenable to the new system. My only request to veterans is to refrain from circulating mails which may raise false hopes and cause (avoidable) discomfiture at a later stage.”
Unknown to many, In 2004, the govt had announced improvement in the scales of PBOR which had almost resulted in OROP for Sepoys, Naiks and Havildars. According to that policy, the pensions of all three ranks were linked with top end of 5th CPC scales irrespective of vintage of retirement. Further an additional weightage of 10, 8 and 6 years was granted to past and future pensioner Sepoys, Naiks and Havildars respectively. Hence, contrary to common belief, PBOR always had a system of pension calculation which was different from Commissioned Officers and other Civil Govt employees. On the other hand, the system of pension computation for officers had always been absolutely similar to civilian employees, the only difference being that unlike the 5 years weightage available to civilians, officers of the defence services were granted higher weightages to cater for early retirement since while military officers retire between the ages of 54 and 62 depending upon arm / service and rank, most civilians retire between the ages of 58 and 60 (though certain categories of personnel of the CPOs retire earlier). Now to say that officers should exactly be at par with PBOR would be a little controversial. We cannot compare employees who start retiring at the age of 33+ with another set of employees who retire at 54+. So this conspiracy theory about the govt employing a policy of ‘divide and rule’ between officers and PBOR has no credibility since the govt has merely continued what was in vogue earlier. If at all there have been sinister moves in this whole 6th CPC imbroglio, the same may have been perpetrated by lower level bureaucracy which always manages to stump both the higher bureaucracy and people in uniform.
Having said that, I still maintain that OROP for all ranks and all employees (civilians included) would be an ideal structural form. A Major General who retired in say 1995 has to buy the same atta, dal and chawal and at the same prices as a Major General who retires today and in this light OROP definitely makes sense. But to say that it should be granted to officers on the same terms as PBOR or that officers of the military should be treated differently than civil servants may cut ice within our community but would widen the wedge between faujis, and dare I say it, the outside world.
Back to the point. There are two major sufferers in the officer community – Majors, who form the bulk of the officer retirees from the earlier eras and Non-Army Commander Lt Generals who retired prior to 2006 and who shall not (as per rules in vogue presently) get the pensionary benefit of HAG+. Leaving aside our personal opinions, we should convince the govt to atleast grant the following to the officer cadre which may well be within the rules of equity and fairplay :
(a) Grant an across the board increment of Rs 3000 on account of MSP to existing pensions of commissioned officers upto the rank of Major. It may be recalled that the benefit of MSP is practically available only to Lt Cols and above based on Annexure-II pension tables of GoI / MoD letter dated 11 Nov 2009 and the same is not extended to Annexure-I pension tables. It also may be pointed out here that in the distant past, some Majors used to retire in their 40s.
(b) Grant pension based on HAG+ to all past retirees who retired as Lt Generals. There is a strong case for this since past DsGP who till 4th CPC were at par with Lt Generals (non Army Commanders) are now drawing a pension of Rs 37750 while pre-06 Lt Generals (non Army Commanders) are placed @ Rs 27700.
Our approach should not be emotional but realistic, practical, pragmatic and extremely logical. Wait till the new scheme is officially announced and we shall bring to light the infirmities therein.
Maj Navdeep Singh at 7:31 AM
ECHS Facility
-----------------------------
Many non-pensioner ex-servicemen such as ECOs and SSCOs have left comments on the blog seeking guidance on how to become members of ECHS. Non-pensioners are NOT entitled to ECHS facilities. Non-pensioner ex-servicemen are only authorised medical facilities in MHs in accordance with a Presidential sanction on the subject but they cannot become members of the ECHS which is a scheme restricted to pension-holders. Just as pensioners are authorised ECHS, non-pensioners are authorised to avail of a medical re-imbursement scheme run by the Kendriya Sainik Board (KSB) wherein expenditure of major surgeries to the extent of 90 % for PBOR and 75% for Officers (which earlier was 75% and 60% respectively) can be borne by the KSB.
-Maj Navdeep Sigh
----------------------------------
Dear veterans,
I am at present OIC of Trichy Polyclinic.
At the outset let me assure you all that the orders to give 90 days medicine to Chronic patients is still in Vogue. We are giving medicines for 90 days to Chronic patients in all Ploy clinics operating under Trichy Stn Hq AOR.
There is no contradicting directive from DG Medical services on this score. I feel that this order by BH Delhi Cantt is due to delay in funds allocation.
There have been some problems in getting medicines. The allocation of funds for the current financial Year has been delayed and hence the MH's responsible for procuring medicines under DGLP have not been able to meet the requirements.
I suggest that the matter be taken up first to the Commanding Officer of the concerned Hospital.
Regards
Cdr V Vaidyanathan ambaforms@gmail. com
-------------------------------
More On OROP.
-------------------------------
“…the new pension regime would be based on a formula or a rank-wise one time increment (OTI) to bridge the gap between past and present pensioners. It is also unlikely that officers’ pensions are made amenable to the new system. My only request to veterans is to refrain from circulating mails which may raise false hopes and cause (avoidable) discomfiture at a later stage.”
Unknown to many, In 2004, the govt had announced improvement in the scales of PBOR which had almost resulted in OROP for Sepoys, Naiks and Havildars. According to that policy, the pensions of all three ranks were linked with top end of 5th CPC scales irrespective of vintage of retirement. Further an additional weightage of 10, 8 and 6 years was granted to past and future pensioner Sepoys, Naiks and Havildars respectively. Hence, contrary to common belief, PBOR always had a system of pension calculation which was different from Commissioned Officers and other Civil Govt employees. On the other hand, the system of pension computation for officers had always been absolutely similar to civilian employees, the only difference being that unlike the 5 years weightage available to civilians, officers of the defence services were granted higher weightages to cater for early retirement since while military officers retire between the ages of 54 and 62 depending upon arm / service and rank, most civilians retire between the ages of 58 and 60 (though certain categories of personnel of the CPOs retire earlier). Now to say that officers should exactly be at par with PBOR would be a little controversial. We cannot compare employees who start retiring at the age of 33+ with another set of employees who retire at 54+. So this conspiracy theory about the govt employing a policy of ‘divide and rule’ between officers and PBOR has no credibility since the govt has merely continued what was in vogue earlier. If at all there have been sinister moves in this whole 6th CPC imbroglio, the same may have been perpetrated by lower level bureaucracy which always manages to stump both the higher bureaucracy and people in uniform.
Having said that, I still maintain that OROP for all ranks and all employees (civilians included) would be an ideal structural form. A Major General who retired in say 1995 has to buy the same atta, dal and chawal and at the same prices as a Major General who retires today and in this light OROP definitely makes sense. But to say that it should be granted to officers on the same terms as PBOR or that officers of the military should be treated differently than civil servants may cut ice within our community but would widen the wedge between faujis, and dare I say it, the outside world.
Back to the point. There are two major sufferers in the officer community – Majors, who form the bulk of the officer retirees from the earlier eras and Non-Army Commander Lt Generals who retired prior to 2006 and who shall not (as per rules in vogue presently) get the pensionary benefit of HAG+. Leaving aside our personal opinions, we should convince the govt to atleast grant the following to the officer cadre which may well be within the rules of equity and fairplay :
(a) Grant an across the board increment of Rs 3000 on account of MSP to existing pensions of commissioned officers upto the rank of Major. It may be recalled that the benefit of MSP is practically available only to Lt Cols and above based on Annexure-II pension tables of GoI / MoD letter dated 11 Nov 2009 and the same is not extended to Annexure-I pension tables. It also may be pointed out here that in the distant past, some Majors used to retire in their 40s.
(b) Grant pension based on HAG+ to all past retirees who retired as Lt Generals. There is a strong case for this since past DsGP who till 4th CPC were at par with Lt Generals (non Army Commanders) are now drawing a pension of Rs 37750 while pre-06 Lt Generals (non Army Commanders) are placed @ Rs 27700.
Our approach should not be emotional but realistic, practical, pragmatic and extremely logical. Wait till the new scheme is officially announced and we shall bring to light the infirmities therein.
Maj Navdeep Singh at 7:31 AM
One Rank One Pension
Dear Veterans,
As you are aware One Rank One Pension for PBOR was announced as part of the Union Budget by the Finance Minister, Shri Pranab Mukherjee, in Parliament on July 6, 2009 The Defence Minister Shri A. K. Antony gave further details of the scheme in reply to a question in Lok Sabha on 13 July 2009 which is reproduced below in brackets.
STATEMENT REFERRED IT REPLY TO PARTS (A) TO (D) OF LOK SABHA STARRED QUESTION NO. 126FOR ANSWER ON 13..7.2009
[[A committee was constituted under the Chairmanship of Cabinet Secretary to look into the issue of One Rank One Pension and other related matters. After considering all aspects of the issue, the Committee made several recommendations to substantially improve pensionary benefits of Personnel Below Officer Rank (PBOR) and Commissioned Officers which have been agreed to set up a separate Pay Commission for Armed Forces in future.
The Committee has recommended the following benefits to substantially improve the pension for the PBORs and Commissioned Officer:-
(i) Inclusion of Classification Allowance for PBOR from 1.1.2006.
(ii) Removal of linkage of full pension with 33 years from 1.1.2006.
(iii) Revision of Lt. General pension after carving out a separate pay scale for them.
(iv) Bringing parity between pension of pre and post 10.10.1997 PBOR pensioners and
(v) Further improving PBOR pensions based on award of GOM, 2006.
Total financial implication on account of above benefits is Rs. 2144 Crores.
Moreover, the recommendations of the Committee with regard to the broadbanding of percentage of disability / war injury pension for pre 1.1.1996 disability/war injury pensioners and removal of the cap on war injury element of pension in the case of disabled pensioners belonging to Category E have also been accepted by the Government.] ]
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Regards,
Maj (Dr) T C Rao (Retd)
Tel :- 0124-4557000 (100 Lines)
As you are aware One Rank One Pension for PBOR was announced as part of the Union Budget by the Finance Minister, Shri Pranab Mukherjee, in Parliament on July 6, 2009 The Defence Minister Shri A. K. Antony gave further details of the scheme in reply to a question in Lok Sabha on 13 July 2009 which is reproduced below in brackets.
STATEMENT REFERRED IT REPLY TO PARTS (A) TO (D) OF LOK SABHA STARRED QUESTION NO. 126FOR ANSWER ON 13..7.2009
[[A committee was constituted under the Chairmanship of Cabinet Secretary to look into the issue of One Rank One Pension and other related matters. After considering all aspects of the issue, the Committee made several recommendations to substantially improve pensionary benefits of Personnel Below Officer Rank (PBOR) and Commissioned Officers which have been agreed to set up a separate Pay Commission for Armed Forces in future.
The Committee has recommended the following benefits to substantially improve the pension for the PBORs and Commissioned Officer:-
(i) Inclusion of Classification Allowance for PBOR from 1.1.2006.
(ii) Removal of linkage of full pension with 33 years from 1.1.2006.
(iii) Revision of Lt. General pension after carving out a separate pay scale for them.
(iv) Bringing parity between pension of pre and post 10.10.1997 PBOR pensioners and
(v) Further improving PBOR pensions based on award of GOM, 2006.
Total financial implication on account of above benefits is Rs. 2144 Crores.
Moreover, the recommendations of the Committee with regard to the broadbanding of percentage of disability / war injury pension for pre 1.1.1996 disability/war injury pensioners and removal of the cap on war injury element of pension in the case of disabled pensioners belonging to Category E have also been accepted by the Government.] ]
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Regards,
Maj (Dr) T C Rao (Retd)
Tel :- 0124-4557000 (100 Lines)
Jul 13, 2009
PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES
DOWA Cochin has charity and philanthropy as one of its charter. Recently two of our friends came forward to offer a few seats for the deserving wards of ESM in the Engg Colleges. The effort was appreciated by all.
It has been the suggestion of some of our members to take up Paliative Care as an activity by DOWA. It is a noble and benevolent suggestion. But what does it involve? It is not only money but constant care and attendance to the patient. Can the members undertake this? Most of them are engaged in some or other activity and they hardly find time to attend the monthly meeting itself.
Have you got time? Can we spend? Cancer treatment needs lots and lots of money. Can we gather enough funds? I invite your concerted views on these aspects before we take up this in an AGM and make it official.
It has been the suggestion of some of our members to take up Paliative Care as an activity by DOWA. It is a noble and benevolent suggestion. But what does it involve? It is not only money but constant care and attendance to the patient. Can the members undertake this? Most of them are engaged in some or other activity and they hardly find time to attend the monthly meeting itself.
Have you got time? Can we spend? Cancer treatment needs lots and lots of money. Can we gather enough funds? I invite your concerted views on these aspects before we take up this in an AGM and make it official.
Jul 2, 2009
New Pension Scales to MNS Officers
New Pay Scales for MNS Officers
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19:35 IST
The Ministry of Defence has notified the new paybands along with grade-pay and Military Service Pay for Military Nursing Service (MNS) Officers following the recommendations of the Sixth Central Pay Commission.
(in Rs.)
Post Pay Band Grade Pay Military Service Pay #
Lieutenant /
equivalent 15600-39100 5400 4200
Capt /
equivalent 15600-39100 5700 4200
Major /
equivalent 15600-39100 6100 4200
Lt. Col /
equivalent 15600-39100 6600 4200
Colonel/
equivalent @37400-67000 7600 4200
Brigadier/
equivalent @37400-67000 8400 4200
Major Gen/
equivalent 37400-67000 9000 Nil*
# No arears on account of Military Service Pay shall be payable.
* The element of Military Service Pay shall be taken on account for purposes of fitment at the time of promotion from Brigadier/equivalent to Major General / equivalent.
@ Colonels and Brigadiers to be placed in the Revised Pay Band IV (Rs. 37400-67000/-)
Samir/RAJ
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19:35 IST
The Ministry of Defence has notified the new paybands along with grade-pay and Military Service Pay for Military Nursing Service (MNS) Officers following the recommendations of the Sixth Central Pay Commission.
(in Rs.)
Post Pay Band Grade Pay Military Service Pay #
Lieutenant /
equivalent 15600-39100 5400 4200
Capt /
equivalent 15600-39100 5700 4200
Major /
equivalent 15600-39100 6100 4200
Lt. Col /
equivalent 15600-39100 6600 4200
Colonel/
equivalent @37400-67000 7600 4200
Brigadier/
equivalent @37400-67000 8400 4200
Major Gen/
equivalent 37400-67000 9000 Nil*
# No arears on account of Military Service Pay shall be payable.
* The element of Military Service Pay shall be taken on account for purposes of fitment at the time of promotion from Brigadier/equivalent to Major General / equivalent.
@ Colonels and Brigadiers to be placed in the Revised Pay Band IV (Rs. 37400-67000/-)
Samir/RAJ
Pension Calculator
Dear Veteran Members,
Hopefully, you will soon see that calculating pension and arrears is easier than you think. You only need to enter some data in the cells coloured yellow. The current sheet shows a sample calculation using assumed data for a Lt Col with 30 years service. Entering your own data will do the job! Please download the attached spreadsheet if you need or wish to use it.
Background: First a small explanation of how we reached the current stage. Till 1995 our pension was quite meagre. The Pay Commission of 1996 increased
Hopefully, you will soon see that calculating pension and arrears is easier than you think. You only need to enter some data in the cells coloured yellow. The current sheet shows a sample calculation using assumed data for a Lt Col with 30 years service. Entering your own data will do the job! Please download the attached spreadsheet if you need or wish to use it.
Background: First a small explanation of how we reached the current stage. Till 1995 our pension was quite meagre. The Pay Commission of 1996 increased
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